Posts Tagged ‘vietnam vets against the war’

Back in Aug of 2009 I ran this chart of Vietnam vets against the war on Google news in a story of how Vietnam vets against the war decided not to back up Cindy Sheehan’s protest against the Obama administration:

Funny how they dropped off the radar in Jan of 2009.

I was reminded of that story when I saw this:

Several factors — war fatigue; a deep, lingering recession; and the presence of a Democratic president they helped elect — have drained the energy from organizations that led the fight against the Iraq war. Some of the most influential anti-war activist groups that once summoned half a million people to march against the Iraq war and the policies of former President George W. Bush are straining to raise the money and attention to fight what they see as Obama’s military entrenchment in Afghanistan.
“We don’t have a very vibrant anti-war movement anymore,” lamented Medea Benjamin, co-founder of Codepink, one of the anti-war movement’s most visible organizations. emphasis mine

Politico seems to be confused by this. If they had been paying attention a year ago they would not be so surprised. Have they given the anti war much attention in print themselves? Or perhaps they might remember this famous line:

If George W. Bush becomes president, the armies of the homeless, hundreds of thousands strong, will once again be used to illustrate the opposition’s arguments about welfare, the economy, and taxation.

George Bush is no longer president, those who oppose him politically who provided finances and manpower and media coverage in an attempt to bring him down will absolutely not do the same with Barack Obama.

BTW I figured I’d update my check of Vietnam Vets against the war on Google News since last year.

Vietnam vets against the war updated graph

A blip, we have a blip! Is it a press release, is it a march, is it a national event, no? What can that one blip be?

This is defiantly NOT the time to get out of politics. Some people feel threatened by the Tea Party movement. While I don’t subscribe too many of their viewpoints, I welcome them to the political fray. Their movement is probably the best thing to happen in politics since the Vietnam Vets against the War staged a million person demonstration in West Potomac Park in March of 1973.

One mention in a side article on the tea party in February. That’s it?

Don’t despair Cindy, Medina, it takes time to create true believers. Come November 2012 I’m sure many on the left who decided that American Military power is not something to protest will suddenly come around. Rest assured that you will have all the support and manpower George Soros and the Democratic party can buy.

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According to a national officer of Vietnam Vets against the war, the group will decline a request from Cindy Sheehan for an enforcement of her protest of President Barak Obama

A couple of days ago I posted on the whole Afghanistan Quagmire business. I followed up with an e-mail to Vietnam Veterans against the War to see if there was any change to their positions with a different administration in office.

I sent the e-mail to all 15 contact names available on the site. Only one person responded.

John Zutz is a national officer of Vietnam Veterans against the war. He very graciously answered the questions of a total stranger and only asked that his e-mail response in full be reprinted:

His reply to my e-mail follows His answers to my questions are in blue:

Whoever you are,

I’ll try to answer your questions below.

John Zutz
Milwaukee

Hello:

I was writing a blog post concerning attitudes about Iraq and Afghanistan since the election. To this end I checked out your web site and noted that it had been over a year (June 2008) since you had a press release.

Considering the attention or lack thereof by the media over Cindy Sheehan’s activates on Martha’s Vineyard I was curious what you guys thought so I have the following questions:

Do you still oppose the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? If not why not?

We oppose the war, and now the occupation of Iraq. We found that Afghanistan is an operation on which reasonable people can differ. Since we couldn’t come to a consensus, we didn’t take a position.

Presuming you still oppose one or both wars what public events have you had over the last 6 months to publicize this opposition?

Guess you haven’t been reading The Veteran – our national newspaper. The last issue came out for Memorial Day, and the next issue will be out for Veterans Day. They are available on our web site. We’re even getting a bunch of the old (and some of the really old) issues on line.

If the number of activities is significantly smaller then during previous years why is that?

I don’t know. Have you counted? Perhaps we’re forgoing quantity and emphasizing quality.

Why have you had no press releases over the last year?

Guess we didn’t feel we had anything new to say.

Does VVAW have a position concerning Ms. Sheehan’s current activities?

The National Office is discussing her request for endorsement right now. I voted in favor of endorsement but it looks like I’ll be in the minority and we’re not going to endorse her actions.

Does VVAW agree with Charlie Gibson who when asked about Ms. Sheehan’s current activates said “Enough Already”

VVAW doesn’t have a position, as I pointed out above. And just why would anyone give a flying f— what Charlie Gibson says? Where did he serve?

I personally remember how she was a leader in rallying people to end the war. She had her 15 minutes and it would be real easy for her to fade away, but she’s coming back for more. Sure, some of her ideas are pretty flakey, but then again she’s doing something – when nobody else is doing much of anything. I say it’ll be enough when the troops come home. Go Girl!!!

Any information on these questions would be most appreciated.

Thanks

Datechguy

Datechguy.wordpress.com

P.S. a FYI when I clicked on Robert Gronko on the e-mail list my anti-virus went nuts so he might want to check his yahoo account and run a good anti-virus.

I was surprised that the vets didn’t have an official opinion on Afghanistan although if you look at the latest issue of their magazine there is certainly a lot of unofficial feeling against it. It appears there have been some activities including at least one march in Washington since the election but they seem (like Cindy Sheehan) to have fallen under the national radar, certainly there were no press releases to promote them. Their newspaper appears very happy with the election of President Obama, but that might be more a function to their dislike of President Bush

As for Cindy Sheehan, I wasn’t aware a formal request was made for support. Mr. Zutz certainly supports her (and has choice words for Charlie Gibson’s statement) but it appears he is going to be outvoted. One can only speculate as to why.

So here is what we DO know:

VVAW still opposes Iraq and has no position on Afghanistan

They are still active but have not put out any press releases, nor has the media seemed interested in covering their events.

Cindy Sheehan has officially requested enforcement of her protest against President Obama but apparently the majority of the board will decline to endorse it.

One final note: A search for “Vietnam Vets against the war” in Google News produces one result. If you look at the search results from 2005-2009 the graphic is very interesting.

Results of Google search for "Vietnam Vets against the War"  2005-2009

The news stops at January 2009. Nothing beyond.

In closing I want to thank Mr. Zutz for answering my questions so promptly and forthrightly.

Oh we also know it is possible to actually break news from the couch at your home.