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…in an attempt to stop Obamacare. In a broadcast by 73wire with Stacy McCain and Ali Akbar (Brown’s new media guy) we talked about the healthcare bill and there was an interesting exchange. I stressed how important this election was because it was necessary to stop obamacare BEFORE it was passed prompting the following:

Ali: “And if it does pass, we will repeal it!”

DaTechGuy: “No we won’t.”

It was very telling that Ali (who is a really smart young man) didn’t argue the point with me and changed the subject.

Well Scott won, but the democrats realizing that the only chance to get the bill passed now was for the house to pass the version that had already gone through the senate did so avoiding both a conference and the chance of a filibuster.

So the repeal bill is now coming up and we will find out who was right. I think Ali knows the its very hard to repeal a law once passed. He knows businesses and government have already adjusted their plans based on it. A lot of favors were done for a lot of people in that bill and those lobbyists who had those favors inserted want them preserved. Most importantly as a rule it’s easier to stop something than to do something in congress. A determined minority and frustrate the majority every time.

Yet there are real reasons to think he might be right. The left and the media are declaring that effort dead and phony but are doing their best to discourage this vote. If my original thought was right why would they bother? After all the senate is still a majority democratic institution. Very little chance on any change there is there?

The dirty little secret is until the house passes this bill the senate doesn’t have to even pretend to care, but once it IS passed than it is before the Senate. There are quite a few democratic senators who are in a tough spot. They either ran against Obamacare (WV) live in states where it is unpopular (MO) or face uphill reelection fights (Va). The retirement announcement of Kent Conrad in ND actually hurts the repeal effort because he can now vote to preserve it while the democrat who does run in his state can claim opposition.

However there is another factor involved. Every single democratic senator was the deciding vote to the passage of Obamacare this means that every vulnerable senator on the democratic side has that vote hanging around their neck. Those senators desperate to retain their seats and the power and privileges thereof will not want to run on Obamacare. A repeal vote would give them a chance to vote against it saying they’ve “reconsidered”.

Harry Reid might, in order to increase the chance of holding his senate majority allow a vote. If a democrat filibuster blocks it then vulnerable dems can clam they voted against said filibuster and if he allows it to reach the floor he can either “Fishbait Miller” the vote (let the three most vulnerable dems vote against it) or allow it to pass and let the president veto it.

This is the position that the White House least wants to be in. The president casting a very prominent vote to preserve a law that he pushed for against popular opinion. This would be a great gift to Republicans going into 2012 and represents (along with the rising price of gas and oil and high unemployment) the best chance for this president to lose re-election.

This is the importance of the house vote. It turns 2012 into a referendum on Obamacare. The closer these actions come to election day 2012 the worse the situation gets for democrats. The second best move for them would be to allow a Senate vote ASAP and get this whole thing over with early. The best option for democrats? That I’m not saying until the day after the presidential election.

Obamacare will not be repealed before the 2012 election but this vote might be the first step to insuring its repeal with a new person in the White House.

Update 12: Did I actually see Jane (I’m not a member of the NVA but I love to pose on their AA Guns Fonda) say this?

@SarahPalinUSA holds responsibility. As does the violence-provoking rhetoric of the Tea Party

The victims of the killing fields of Cambodia were not available for comment.

Update 11: Michelle Malkin is all over this and has some interesting screen captures.

Update 10: I wish it wasn’t true but there is already a Memeorandum thread with Tbogg, TPMDC, Crooks and Liars and Clustershock all blaming Palin. Can we safely say that all three of these sites can and should be avoided on general principle? And glenn reports Kos is airbrushing his site.

Update 9: Stacy McCain is all over this and will be joining us for a special 2nd hour of DaTechGuy on DaRadio to talk about this subject along with Barbara Espinosa reporting from Arizona and Val Prieto from Babalu Blog (who is my primary guest).

Update 8: this is from his YouTube channel:


I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.Books:

Ooooo boy.

Fox is reporting that 12 people were shot at the event along with Gabrielle Giffords (D AZ-8). We don’t know motive or details but this reports suggests that it might have been a target of opportunity:

The Democrat, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting a “Congress on Your Corner” event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

At least five other people, including members of her staff, were hurt. Giffords was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson. Her condition was not immediately known.

Giffords was talking to a couple when the suspect ran up firing indiscriminately and then ran off, Michaels said. According to other witnesses, he was tackled by a bystander and taken into custody.

The tragic irony is that her husband is was in the service and she is wounded.

We have no idea if she was targeted specifically, if this was a nut with an agenda, a nut without an agenda or something more. It it a bit disgusting to see that already some are trying to make hay of this.

Ah a tweet from the left blaming Palin, I guess Rahm’s idea of not letting a crisis go to waste is being taken to heart by at least one person, but then again it’s only one tweet.

The Anchoress reports that there is no shortage of people trying to make hay of this:

Giffords shooting horrific; so are flying theories:! “Right did this cuz Palin urged!” “Left did this to blame Palin”

Within 24 hours we will know a lot more, I would urge folks on both sides to keep a cool head until we know more. Remember the Bill Sparkman fiasco.

Update: it’s getting ridiculous:

She was on Palin’s target map, ah the right did it.

Ah she is Jewish maybe a Palestinian did it.

Ah she is against the repeal of Obamacare the tea party did it

Ah she is pro border fence, the open border people did it.

Ah she likes McDonalds more that Burger King, the Burger King people did it.

Do you get the idea? Let’s cut this stuff out and pray for her and her family and also for the gunman and his (her?) family as his soul has issues. There’s plenty of time for political fights later.

Update 2:
NPR and Fox reports she and several others are dead. Horrible!

Update 3: Gateway has a story here. Always remember that service carries risks and one should honor service when it is offered.

Update 4:
The Anchoress updates

It is appalling to note that some on the social media circuits are already letting the conspiracy theories fly according to their agendas – some on the left are already tweeting about Sarah Palin and gun imagery and some are not beneath bringing the full-crazy and wondering if this was done purposely to blame Palin. Not the time, folks. It’s kind of disgusting when you hear someone is shot and the first thing you do is try to figure out how to fit the terrible news to your political worldview. Blame the gunman.

Update 5: Hotair here

Let’s not forget this is the risk every person takes when they become a public figure.

Update 6: I think we can safely say that the Anchoress admonishment can be directed directly to Tboggs at firedoglake. To call him dishonorable is redundant. No word if firedoglake is going to do anything but Eric Boehert is apparently being dishonorable too, but on the plus side apparently she is in surgery and still alive! First bit of good news!

Update 7: Confirmed we will be having a second hour tonight on DaTechGuy on DaRadio tonight specifically on this subject. Apparently the shooter is Jared Loughner and his myspace page is down, last entry was “Goodbye Friends”. If correct sounds like the guy wanted to go down loud. Joe Taxpayer has nailed it in this tweet:

My tea party friends on facebook are offering prayers. My liberal friends on facebook are offering blame.

A lot of people today are really revealing a lot about themselves and none of it flattering.

But don’t just take RS McCain’s word for it, check out that fantastically conservative publication the Washington Post

Senators collected $469,000 from the financial industry the day before, the day of and the day after that key Sept. 16 vote, a Post review of donations shows. The biggest recipient was Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), who shepherded the legislation and faced a tight reelection race.

The article only focus is on fairly new stuff but the best line from it is this response from Harry Reid’s spokesman:

Reid spokesman Zac Petkanas said the timing was not of Reid’s making. The vote was supposed to come months earlier but was delayed by Republican obstruction, Petkanas said.

Oh the timing wasn’t of Reid’s making. After all he is only the Senate Majority Leader.

Of course now that the election is long over this stuff can safely be reported. May I suggest to incoming republicans that the media are not likely to show such deference in timing for them. So do the right thing, it is usually the smart thing too.

I’m very hard on Joe Scarborough mostly because I like him (I’m always harder on people I like because I expect more from them) but today he said something that is incredibly important.

He was going on about the hypocrisy of both right and left on deficits and said this:

“There are a couple of tea partiers who care about this (the deficit) Rand Paul and Jim DeMint,that’s it!”

Although Joe likely doesn’t know Porkbusters he has a point. The Tea Party crowd doesn’t actually trust the republicans. I could not find a single person in the crowd at the Washington Freedom Works rally who would say they trusted republicans.

A lot of the newly elected republicans in congress got little or no help from the national GOP. This was due to several factors, they were not professional pols, the party didn’t expect them to win, but also because they are committed controlling spending.

Trent Lott gave the game away in July:

the last thing Lott needs is a bunch of unwashed, Tea-Partying right-wingers coming to Washington on a wave of anti-establishment, free-market populism, and messing up the good thing he has going.

“We don’t need a lot of Jim DeMint disciples,” Lott told the Washington Post, referring to the conservative South Carolina senator who has been a gadfly for party leadership and a champion for upstart conservative candidates. “As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them.”

But Lott is no longer in the Republican leadership — he resigned from the Senate in December 2007, mid-term, just before a law kicked in that would have required him to wait two years before lobbying the Senate. So who is he talking about when he says “we need to co-opt them”?

“We” means the K Street wing of the Republican Party.

There are an awful lot of republicans who are more interested in chairmanships and favors than controlling spending and lowering taxes (and yes they are connected). That group needs to keep the good will of the Tea Party voters who brought them over the top for now so they will play ball, but if they get the chance they will try to turn the newly elected reps.

This is going to be the fight that will dominate Washington over the next 2 years and will determine the party and the country’s future longterm and will actually have a lot to do with both the presidential elections in 2012 and if we have a tea party 3rd party in 2014.

If Morning Joe follows this story, they will have a jump on the rest of the MSM.