Posts Tagged ‘anglican communion’

While everything is election election election in the US things continue to get interesting in England:

Anglo-Catholicism within the Church of England is evaporating like a cloud of incense rolling down the nave. Those Anglicans who have decided to take advantage of Pope Benedict XVI’s historic offer of special privileges within the Roman Catholic Church are already constructing a network of Ordinariate communities that will bear fruit in new Catholic parishes. Crucially, they are led by two “flying” Anglican bishops, the Rt Rev Andrew Burnham of Ebbsfleet and the Rt Rev Keith Newton of Richborough.

When you have media that thinks in terms of winning a media day vs the Church that looks at things in terms of centuries there really is no contest at all is there?

Update: The Anchoress points out this isn’t just going on in England:

On the heels of Pope Benedict’s well-received visit to the United Kingdom came the announcement last week of the CDF’s appointment of Archbishop Donald Wuerl, of Washington, as its delegate, “to guide the incorporation of Anglican groups into the Catholic Church in the United States.”

Yeah. It’s a big deal. And today, NETNY, Brooklyn Diocese-run channel that broadcasts, among other things, the nation’s only daily Catholic news program, scored an interview with Wuerl that helps clarify what the Ordinariate means for both Anglicans and Catholics, and how many Anglican congregations and parishes will be proceeding toward full Communion with Rome, and what the process will look like.

This is not about individual “conversions” but about how whole parishes may be incorporated into Communion with Rome, while maintaining their heritage, their liturgy and music (and anyone watching the gorgeous Evening Prayer at which Pope Benedict participated while in England will understand their desire to maintain it). Wuerl does a good job of laying out the basics.

This development will make many liberal in the US go Kryten

…since it looks like the ECLA decision earlier this year has apparently split the church:

On Wednesday, an 11-member steering committee of Lutheran CORE (Coalition for Renewal), meeting in New Brighton, Minn., said it cannot remain inside the 4.7-million-member ELCA after the denomination agreed at its August churchwide assembly in Minneapolis to ordain partnered gay clergy.

That decision, CORE said in a statement, created “a biblical and theological crisis throughout the ELCA and conflict in local congregations.”

Hey the Pope can give them the Anglican treatment. Roman Catholicism offers open arms and the C of E gives their conservatives the finger:

The timing of the General Synod decision, in the same week as Pope Benedict’s generous and statesmanlike Apostolic Constitution, will concentrate minds. Many traditionalists will conclude that Anglo-Catholicism itself was eventually bound to fail: for although the Church of England embraces a great deal of Catholic liturgical practice – more so now than at any time since the Reformation – it governs itself according to Protestant principles of self-determination.

The Pope’s Ordinariate will appeal greatly to those Anglo-Catholics who now understand that their movement has been destroyed by its inherent contradictions. But what about those who were prepared to stay Anglicans if the Synod had given them the byzantine safeguards they were demanding?

So off to Rome they go, will the same thing happen to Lutherans? Perhaps not. After all the Lutherans have somewhere else to go.

I think I’ll re-visit the Lutheran blogs I visited before and see what the reaction is:

Incarnatus est quotes the story without comment.

Ichabod has a long post:

Two factors work together to leverage apostasy. One is the extreme nastiness of the Left. There is a Satanic energy in apostasy, which never hesitates to engage in the worst sins to advance their cause. In the name of love and unity, they divide and sling mud. Nothing is too low for them. Crying “slander!” when doctrinal issues are addressed publicly, they engage in backdoor campaigns against anyone in their way.

The other factor is the willingness to compromise with the Left to appease them for the moment. How enticing. Should I say something or accept the call I always wanted?

Haven’t found any other comments on the other blogs I’ve linked but we are going to see more and more of this as time goes by.

…I mentioned the difference in pay but on Morning Joe just they were talking about the Pope and the Anglican communion etc and the suggestion was it might lead to changing the rules on married priests. (I think it’s a bad idea but there is certainly nothing that would contrast with eternal truth) O’Donnell said the Church even if it wanted to can’t afford it, (the quote is from memory):

Right now the church has to pay for health insurance for its priests, how are they going to afford health insurance for wives and 9 kids since married priests won’t be using birth control.

That thought never occurred to me. When O’Donnell isn’t dealing with a topic like Iraq or Palin that afflicts him with Sullivan’s Syndrome he can be quite wise. He also said something else that was telling (again quote might not be exact):

Nobody has asked priests for marital advice for 50 years, go see a shrink instead.

I can certainly believe that, perhaps if people were taking advice from their parish priest instead of their shrinks the divorce and illegitimacy rates wouldn’t have gone through the roof over the last 50 years.

Personally I don’t think that the decline of marriage was a bug of the 60’s, I think the people who celebrate the turning away from the church consider it a feature. Certainly the other side would.

Father Tim:

For many of the Anglicans who have petitioned for an arrangement whereby they can come into full communion, the primary issue is not the ordination of women or of gays but that of authority. For the Church to function properly in accordance with the will of Christ, there must ultimately be a primatial see with real universal jurisdiction. The arrangements offered by the Holy See are courageous and to be welcomed. They show yet again the determination of Pope Benedict XVI to promote unity within the Church without insisting on uniformity of rites or customs. The Holy See’s provision of the new arrangements is a historic landmark for genuine Christian Unity as envisaged by Vatican II understood genuinely as in continuity with the tradition of the Church.

But when it comes to the idea of a “mass” (no pun intended) defection of priests from the Anglican communion to the Catholic church Fr. Z brings up a critical point that I just plain didn’t think of via the Times:

But any serving clergyman would face a marked loss of income.

A job as a clergyman in the Church of England comes with a stipend of £22,250 and free accommodation. Catholic priests earn about £8,000, paid by their parish and sometimes topped up by a diocese.

In terms of dollars that is about $33k vs $12k. If you are a married Anglican Priest that is a significant chunk of change when you are supporting a family.

I don’t know if that stipend extends to C of E clergy in Africa but if so that might be pretty big sort of like the Jizya tax persuading people to convert to islam.

Remember that the unlike political matters such as the ny-23 race the church thinks in terms of decades and centuries, that’s what happens when your focus is on eternity so anything that happens will happen in its own time.