Q: What do the “Global Warming” people have in common with some forms of Protestantism?

Posted: November 29, 2009 by datechguy in internet/free speech, opinion/news
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A: Apparently they also are making the argument that the salvation of Global Warming should be a question of faith and not works:

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

They did keep what they refer to as “adjusted” data.

Let’s put this in a way our liberal friends can understand: Do you remember this iconic picture?

The woman above is Rose Mary Woods. She was President Nixon’s secretary who claims to have “accidentally” erased the 18 1/2 minute gap in the Watergate tapes. Lets pretend it is 1973 and All the Watergate tapes were erased and only “reconstructions” created by the Nixon White House were available. Would you have taken the Nixon White House’s word that the tapes were “accidentally” erased? Did you take Rose Mary Woods word? Is that credible?

In the letter of St. James he says the following:

So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. James 2:17

In the same way, Science without data is “hypothesis” at best and “speculation” at worst.

If you still want to believe in this that’s up to you, far be it from me to tell you what religion you want to follow but don’t tell me it is “settled peer reviewed science”.

And Roger as far as your suggestion to postpone the UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen, not a chance! The people feeding at the Climate Change troth are going to try to push through one last big score while the gravy train still exists. Time is not on their side. That have to act NOW if they want our money.

How the MSM decides to cover this will be interesting.

Update: My friend Robert Stacy gives me the best blogging anniversary present there is: A top level link! He also touches on a pet peeve of mine:

This temptation to think that we are morally superior to our ancestors, you see, is the road to hell that Scientism paves.

The biggest problem with the baby boom generation is they never grew out of the teenage idea that they were smarter than their parents. That failure as much as the changes of the 60’s are the cause of a lot of the troubles we have today.

Oh as for transubstantiation the physics are identical to the physics of parting the Red Sea, Of Jonah and the Whale, the Feeding of the 5,000 and Peter’s healing of the cripple. Miracle of God. There is a long history of that kind of thing.

As a person who has been an eyewitness to at least one Miracle in person I’ve never understood why believing Christians have no problem believing all those other miracles but not Transubstantiation.

And herein lies what both Robert Stacy and I have over the climate guys. We disagree on this subject, passionately I suspect, but are not only unafraid to debate it publicly we will still be friends when our debate is done.

A person pushing real science or interested in truth doesn’t shut down debate. That was the biggest clue all along.

Update 2: In comments the discussion is Tradition tradition tradition…

Update 3: Gad-fry remembers Rose Mary Woods and comes up with his own 60’s connection.

Update 4:
Democrat=Socialist has a good point:

If an employer can use computer forensics to find that Jenna Haze video you downloaded on the company laptop, couldn’t any diligent media outlet or United States DOJ (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!) do the same?

That will depend on a couple of things, first to the tapes ACTUALLY still exist? They may not. Secondly it depends on how the data was wiped. If the assumption is that they wanted the data destroyed they would have certainly thought of this.

His suggestion is actually rather ironic considering this story, speak of the Nixon tapes and they are in the News again:

The US National Archives is bringing together investigators to search for scribbled secrets from the early days of the Watergate scandal as the chain of events began that destroyed Richard Nixon’s presidency.

The elusive goal is to discover what Nixon and an aide discussed during the infamous 18189-minute gap in a White House tape recording of a meeting held three days after burglars linked to the president’s re-election committee broke into Democratic Party headquarters at the Watergate complex, then an office building in Washington.

Serious Irony.

Comments
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  2. kahall says:

    I just “peer reviewed” this post. It is 100% accurate since I agree.

  3. Thanks for the link-back, Pete. Lisa Graas accuses me of rejecting tradition, but my Protestantism has a tradition of its own. Shall I reject my own ancestors — Covenanters and Ulster Scots — to embrace Romanism? Never!

    Let the Italians be Italians, the Scots be Scots, and the Irish be damned.

    Tradition!

  4. Truth is as independent of denomination as it is of priesthood. Let us not, however, argue all the way back to Luther, the Inquisition, etc. If we agree on the key point — the Sovereignty of God — everything else is needless disputation.

  5. Lisa Graas says:

    Hey, I’m Lisa Graas, in case anyone out there is wondering who the heck RS is referring to.

    RS, In my tweet to you, I capitalized the “T” in Tradition intentionally. My bad for not knowing you wouldn’t catch the nuance. “Big T” Tradition is Sacred Tradition. All Sacred Tradition (Big T) is authoritative. You professed belief in Sola Scriptura on your blog, which means you reject the other two legs of the three-legged stool which is the Deposit of Faith — the body of teachings that are authoritative.

    When I said you reject “Tradition” with a Big T….that is what I meant.

    For example, the authoritative teaching on the Holy Trinity, that God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit — One God in Three Persons — is not explicitly taught in Scripture, nor can most people understand the teaching unless it is passed on to them via Tradition. Assuming you accept the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, you do accept some Big T Tradition, but it’s certain you don’t accept others if you are a Protestant so, properly speaking, it’s probably more correct for me to have said you reject “most” Tradition.

    Thanks! Oh, and I agree with datechguy on his comment re: what you know to be true and what you reject…..being held accountable according to that.

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